Thread: Guaiacol

Has anybody here use high concentrations of guaiacol in their brews? I'm talking around 20%

Why do you need that much or what specifically are you trying to make with that much guaiacol. Sure I have used higher amounts of guaiacoil but it was generally because I did not fully understand what I was trying to do and therefore used Guaiacol as a "cover up" or fixer so to speak.

Guaiacol works very well and only in very rare cases should you need so much. Why dont you tell us what your tyring to make?

I think I told you in a pm a few weeks back I'm trying to make tne at 200mg/ml

Originally Posted by warlord_wrug

I think I told you in a pm a few weeks back I'm trying to make tne at 200mg/ml

I'm no homebrewer but I don't think that's possible. It barely holds at 50mg/ml doesn't it?

Not true my good man. You can make just about anything with the right attitude and solvents.

For example not to toot my own horn but I have personally brewed Test E at 600mg/ml. with no pain and EQ at 650mg/nl. I have made blends of Test P and Tren A that were 200mg/ml. each.

Short esters are trickier due to lipophilicity of the ester but you can still get them to stay if you work at it.

Honestly for 200mg/ml. of test base I would use the following recipe to start:

10% Guaiacol
20% BB
2% BA
Test Base
GSO/Ethyl Oleate in a 50/50 mix

Try that and if it doesnt stay raise guaiacol by 5%.

Do not underestimate the power of Guaiacol and/or EO. They are potent so try them out.

Originally Posted by northern

Not true my good man. You can make just about anything with the right attitude and solvents.

For example not to toot my own horn but I have personally brewed Test E at 600mg/ml. with no pain and EQ at 650mg/nl. I have made blends of Test P and Tren A that were 200mg/ml. each.

Short esters are trickier due to lipophilicity of the ester but you can still get them to stay if you work at it.

Honestly for 200mg/ml. of test base I would use the following recipe to start:

10% Guaiacol
20% BB
2% BA
Test Base
GSO/Ethyl Oleate in a 50/50 mix

Try that and if it doesnt stay raise guaiacol by 5%.

Do not underestimate the power of Guaiacol and/or EO. They are potent so try them out.

Yeah but how much of that shit do you want to put in your body? You can use that stuff to stain wood. I've used it before and the smell alone is enough to clear a room.

Originally Posted by northern

Not true my good man. You can make just about anything with the right attitude and solvents.

For example not to toot my own horn but I have personally brewed Test E at 600mg/ml. with no pain and EQ at 650mg/nl. I have made blends of Test P and Tren A that were 200mg/ml. each.

Short esters are trickier due to lipophilicity of the ester but you can still get them to stay if you work at it.

Honestly for 200mg/ml. of test base I would use the following recipe to start:

10% Guaiacol
20% BB
2% BA
Test Base
GSO/Ethyl Oleate in a 50/50 mix

Try that and if it doesnt stay raise guaiacol by 5%.

Do not underestimate the power of Guaiacol and/or EO. They are potent so try them out.

I've tried the recipe you gave that to me to make 100mg/ml it worked good only difference is i used straight eo instead of gso or cso. I was kind of worried that the same recipe wouldn't work so I've been trying to come up with other recipes ill give it a shot & see if it works

Ive done it and can attest to it working.

DLTH - When the body breaks down guaiacol and ethyl oleate it ends being totally not toxic. Benzoic acid, not to be confused with benzene, and ethanol and the major constituents. Both are totally safe for humans even in elevated quatities.

If you want to preach about safety be concerned about whats in your gear. Do you know that LiAlH4 is one of the best reducing compounds. It is used to replace Oxygen molecules with hydrogens in organic compounds. Great for making oral steroids and other nifty changes to parent hormones. LiAlH4 is lithium almunion hydride. It is rather nasty and generally unless super duper efforts are made generally ends up in the end product albeit in minor quantities.

Point is your more likely to get sick from this than either EO or guaiacol. Strongs smells can be misleading.

Originally Posted by northern

Ive done it and can attest to it working.

DLTH - When the body breaks down guaiacol and ethyl oleate it ends being totally not toxic. Benzoic acid, not to be confused with benzene, and ethanol and the major constituents. Both are totally safe for humans even in elevated quatities.

If you want to preach about safety be concerned about whats in your gear. Do you know that LiAlH4 is one of the best reducing compounds. It is used to replace Oxygen molecules with hydrogens in organic compounds. Great for making oral steroids and other nifty changes to parent hormones. LiAlH4 is lithium almunion hydride. It is rather nasty and generally unless super duper efforts are made generally ends up in the end product albeit in minor quantities.

Point is your more likely to get sick from this than either EO or guaiacol. Strongs smells can be misleading.

I wasn't going by the smell and I'm not preaching anything about safety, I'm just going by a lot of private domestic sources and what they say will and won't hold and there thoughts on guaiacol. I know you can get higher dosed stuff using guaiacol, I've used tren A 200mg/ml and test 300mg/ml blend before. Like I said though, I don't know anything about homebrewing but I see a lot of private guys talking about how some things will and won't hold and then you'll see other guys carrying those same items on their list. I've used high dosed blends before, I know one guy that carries 400mg teste/400mg deca so that's 800mg/ml. Way to much for me.

I worded my statement incorrectly namely the part about preaching safety.

The upshot in my mind is this. Few people that are brewing, sources and hobbyist alike, are trained formally in chemistry. What this causes is a bunch of bro-telligence + some credible stuff. Problem is they all get mixed together.

Like I said originally nearly anything can be done but the trick is limiting the pain and making a USABLE product. Some guy was selling EQ at some crazy dose like 900mg+ per ml. It worked out being a mixture of straight eq and BB/BA with NOTHING else in it. BA+BB total conc was like 8%. So like you said sometimes it is just too much i..e your 400/400 mix.

Guaiacol in my opinion is overused way too much. It was originally used when we were attempting winny in oil. Even then, we only used a very small amount in conjunction with BA and BB ..
It's a very strong chemical and shouldn't be used in high a daose as I've seen on many experiment recipes.

It was meant to aid, not take the place of.

again.. JMO